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Weekend Political Poll Roundup and A Snicker

Never let your dog watch your food; never let the Congress watch your money - Barry Goldwater, Jr.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday-including the two days of post-debate polling-is unchanged. Barack Obama once again attracts 50% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%. This five-point advantage nearly matches Obama’s biggest lead yet and marks the first time he has held such a lead for three-days running. Rasmussen says Obama has 200 electoral votes and McCain 174. Colorado (9); New Mexico (5); New Hampshire (4); Nevada (5); Ohio (20) and Virginia (13) are now all in the toss-up column. Clearly those 56 votes are pivotal. 55 other electors lean toward Obama and 53 are leaning toward McCain.

Gallup did not publish findings on Sunday. Obama lead by 5% in its Saturday polling. According to ZOGBY Obama won Friday’s debate by the narrowest of margins 44% to 41% who say McCain won. Rasmussen found Obama won the debate by 36% to 34% and 31% were not sure. While 16% said it was a tie. Women felt Obama won and men felt McCain did. Before the debate people felt Obama would win by a 4 to 3 margin. Obama/Biden leads 47.1% to McCain/Palin 45.9% in the “who would you vote for?” question.

PBS television personality Jim Lehrer won the debate by unexpectedly being fair and balanced. 76% say Lehrer was neutral. Seven percent (7%) thought he tried to help Obama, 3% thought he tried to help McCain and 14% were not sure.

Today, Barack Obama told Joe Biden to be less like Sarah Palin: “Stop talking to the press!” - Leno

Thirty-three percent of Likely Voters now favor the Wall Street  ”bail out” plan while 32% are opposed and 35% are not sure. Just 49% understand that the government anticipates recovering a significant portion of the $700 billion when the assets purchased are resold. Those who understand that taxpayers will eventually get much of the money back support the bailout by a 2-to-1 margin. Narrow pluralities of both Obama supporters and McCain supporters favor the legislation and the reaction from liberals and conservatives are similarly mixed. Thirty-six percent (36%) of Investors support the plan while 31% are opposed.

In one of the most tumultuous weekend in college sports history nine of colleges top 25 football lost last weekend starting with Number 1 USC on Thursday night. Eleven won and five had a bye week.

Wall Street Maelstrom Impacts Electorate

Three-quarters say Nation on wrong track

Wall Street’s maelstrom appears to have shifted the electorate toward Obama and away from Congressional Democrats according to a Rasmussen Poll released Saturday morning. Obama-Biden now leads McCain-Palin 48%-47% for first time since the GOP convention. Obama now leads in states with 193 Electoral College votes while McCain is ahead in states with 189 Electoral College votes. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 259, McCain 247. Four states continue to be toss-ups including: New Mexico (5); Colorado (9); Nevada (5) and Virginia (13) - all went Republican in 2004. 270 Electoral votes are needed to win the White House.

Confidence in Congress sags with 44% of voters choosing their district’s Democratic candidate, while 38% would choose the Republican candidate.

One month ago the Congressional margin was 47% to 34% in favor of the Democrat candidate. The once almost certain Democrat surge in both the Senate and House has been cut to the point where achieving a veto proof maJority is statistically erased.

 The parties are neck-and-neck among unaffiliated voters, with the Democrats earning support from 33% and the GOP from 31%. Among men, the GOP has a 43% to 40% advantage. Among women, the Democrats lead 48% to 34%.

 Democrats have a 63% to 19% lead among voters who characterize themselves as pro-choice on the issue of abortion, while Republicans lead 64% to 21% among voters who are pro-life.

The GOP leads 47% to 38% among voters who shop at Wal-Mart several times a month, while the Democrats lead 56% to 27% among those who rarely or never shop there. The parties are nearly tied among voters who occasionally shop at the super store. In part that’s because Wal-Mart stores tend to be located in more exurban areas where Republicans cluster.

Rasmussen Reports tracking data also shows just 23% of voters believe the nation is heading in the right direction, while 73% think the country has gotten off on the wrong track.

Electoral College Total Shifts to McCain-Palin For First Time

What happens if there is a 269-to-269 tie in Electoral College?

In the most dramatic and quickest shift in presidential election history McCain-Palin now leads in BOTH the popular and electoral vote totals having trailed in both just two weeks ago.

New state polling from Missouri has helped move that state from “Leans Republican” to “Likely Republican” in the Rasmussen Reports for the first time projecting McCain-Palin in states with 200 Electoral College votes while Obama-Biden is ahead in states with 193 Electoral College votes. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 259, McCain 247. Currently, states with 124 Electoral College votes are leaning slightly in one way or the other. Four states with a total of 32 votes — www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_elect” href=”http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/colorado/election_2008_colorado_presidential_election” target=”_self”>Colorado, www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/” href=”http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/nevada/election_2008_nevada_presidential_election” target=”_self”>Nevada, www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_e” href=”http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_mexico/election_2008_new_mexico_presidential_election” target=”_self”>New Mexico, and www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_elect” href=”http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/virginia/election_2008_virginia_presidential_election” target=”_self”>Virginia — are pure toss-ups.

270 Electoral votes are needed to win the White House.

State By State Balance of Power

Safe
GOP
(65)

Likely
GOP
(135)

Leans
GOP
(47)

Toss
Up
(32)

Leans
Dem
(66)

Likely
Dem
(50)

Safe
Dem
(143)

AK (3)

AR (6)

FL (27)

CO (9)

IA (7)

CT (7)

CA (55)

AL (9)

AZ (10)

OH (20)

NM (5)

MI (17)

DE (3)

DC (3)

ID (4)

GA (15)

NV (5)

NH (4)

ME (4)

HI (4)

KS (6)

IN (11)

VA (13)

OR (7)

MN (10)

IL (21)

KY (8)

MO (11)

PA (21)

NJ (15)

MD (10)

LA (9)

MS (6)

WI (10)

WA (11)

MA (12)

OK (7)

MT (3)

NY (31)

TN (11)

NE (5)

RI (4)

UT (5)

NC (15)

VT (3)

WY (3)

ND (3)

SC (8)

SD (3)

TX (34)

WV (5)

65

135

47

32

66

50

143

There are 538 ELECTORAL VOTES theoretically it could be a tie at 269 each in which case. In that case the House of Representatives chooses the President from among the top Electoral vote-getters, with each state delegation having one vote. It takes 26 states to elect the president. If neither candidate gets 26 states, they keep balloting. If the House can’t decide, then the VP (chosen by the Democratic Senate) acts as President.

With the election of Democrat Travis Childers to the House from Mississippi, Democrats now control an even greater majority of state delegations: 27-21 with two delegations tied.

In 1824, we had the only election that ever went to the House of Representatives using the current Electoral College format. In that election, Andrew Jackson won by a substantial plurality in the Electoral College, and was the clear first choice of the American electorate. But there were three other candidates, so he did not get the required 50% of Electoral College votes. When the election went to the House of Representatives, John Quincy Adams apparently cut a deal with third-place candidate Henry Clay to appoint him Secretary of State, in exchange for Clay’s support. It is evident the first choice of the electorate was Andrew Jackson. But the Electoral College system allowed the second choice candidate to scheme his way into office. The long-term effect of this distorted result was probably negligible.

It has never been tested in the Courts. What if one candidate won more states but some of those states cast their vote for the other candidate - one vote one state.


In 1828, Andrew Jackson won the first of two terms by a wide margin over John Quincy Adams it was a vile election with Adams accusing Jackson of bigomy for marrying his wife, Racheal before her divorce was final. That so distressed her she fell ill and died igniting a lifelong hatred between Jackson and the Adams family.


Most scholars discount the often made argument that a popular vote is better than the representative Electoral College system but it periodically surfaces nonetheless.


McCain Surges in Electoral College Count

Who says McCain can't count?

Obama Loses 17 McCain Gains 18 - Gap Narrows to 10 Electors.

The latest wave of state-by-state polling shows Obama leading in states with 193 Electoral College votes and McCain ahead in states with 183 Electoral College votes. Previously, Obama had enjoyed a 210-165 advantage. The most important changes came in:

  • North Carolina-with 15 Electoral College votes-moved from Leans Republican to Likely Republican. This change was based on the latest Rasmussen Reports polling and changes in the RasmussenMarkets.com data.
  • Wisconsin-with 10 Electoral College votes-moved from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic. That move was prompted by the latest Rasmussen Reports polling which shows McCain closing to within four percentage points of Obama.
  • Colorado-with 9 Electoral College votes–moved from Leans Democratic to Toss-Up, based primarily upon the latest Rasmussen Reports poll in which McCain holds a statistically insignificant two-point lead over Obama.
  • Oregon-with 7 Electoral College votes-moved from Likely Democratic to Leans Democratic. While the latest Rasmussen Reports polling shows Obama with a 10-point lead, the average of other polls and a national trends adjustment places the state in the leaner category.
  • South Dakota-with 3 Electoral College votes–shifted from Leans Republican to Likely Republican based upon Rasmussen Markets data and a national trends adjustment.

Other states had more minor changes: Connecticut from Safely Democratic to Likely Democratic, Louisiana from Likely Republican to Safely Republican, Maine from Safely Democratic to Likely Democratic, and Tennessee from Likely Republican to Safely Republican.

270 Electoral votes are needed to win the White House.

Presidential Race “Too-Close-To-Call” But, Some New Movements

Lots try, some make it

Fewer say McCain is too old, and more say Obama is too inexperienced

When “leaners” included, a Tuesday Rasmussen Report poll has Obama 47% and McCain 45% among likely voters. For the past three weeks, Obama’s support (with leaners) has been between 46% and 48% every day. During that three-week stretch, McCain’s support has been between 45% and 47% every day and the candidates have been within one or two points of each other every day.

There is movement beneath the surface. The number of voters who say McCain is too old for the job has declined while the number who say Obama is too inexperienced has moved up a bit. Voters are now evenly divided as to whether Obama has enough experience for the job. Thirty-eight percent (38%) of voters now rate the economy as the top issue of Election 2008, down from 40% yesterday and 45% a week ago. This comes as the Rasmussen Consumer Index shows consumer confidence growing to the highest levels of the past five months.

National security concerns are the top priority for 25%, up from 21% a week ago most likely the result of the Russo-Georgian War. Data released yesterday shows that 50% of Americans support a UN peacekeeping force to address the situation between Russia and Georgia, but only 22% want U.S. troops to be part of a multi-national force. In other shifts forty-six percent (46%) of voters now believe Obama is likely to win the White House in November. That’s down from 54% in June but little changed from a month ago. Twenty-eight percent (28%) expect McCain to win and 22% say it’s too close to call. Nine percent (9%) expect an Obama landslide victory while 4% say McCain will win big.

Twenty-four percent (24%) of voters say they spend more than an hour a day discussing or following the campaign. Thirty-nine percent (39%) spend fifteen minutes or less on the topic, including 20% who say they don’t discuss the campaign at all on a typical day. Twenty-three percent (23%) consider the election exciting while 21% say it’s boring.

Data released last week from North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, Minnesota, Nevada, Iowa, Michigan, and Missouri confirmed the national trend and showed just how close this race is on the eve of the two nominating conventions.

When leaners are included the Electoral College totals are: Obama 273, McCain 227. Nevada (5); Ohio (20) and Virginia (13) are toss-ups. There are 163 Electors in the toss-up or leaning states. McCain is viewed favorably by 55% of the nation’s voters, Obama by 54%.

Let The Electoral College Debate Begin - But, With Knowledge

Protecting eveyones rightsIt is about time for the quadrennial appearance of the latter-day hysterics to reemerge to rant about ending the Electoral College in favor of an array of schemes most often in the name of “fairness” or “modernity” but almost always without even the most feeble notion of its what or why. The story involves the Founders considering several approaches that contrary to popular myth and argument never included taking the selection of a President from the hands of the great unwashed masses ala “Super Delegates” as some assert. In fact nothing could be farther from the truth.

Several ways of electing President were proposed including: having Congress do it (that was rejected for fear of corruption, political pandering, and foreign interference through Congress and risking upsetting the balance-of-power among the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches.); others wanted state legislatures to do it and that was rejected for some of the same reasons; a direct vote was rejected from a fear “favorite sons” would dominate, and big states would simply overpower the smaller, and finally there was the Committee of Eleven that emerged in the Constitutional Convention proposing an indirect election of the President through a College of Electors.

That indirect election can be likened to the Roman Catholic Church’s College of Cardinals selecting the Pope. The original idea was for the most knowledgeable and informed individuals from each State to select the President based solely on merit and without regard to State of origin or political party. That was a permutation of the Centurial Assembly system of the Roman Republic. Under that system, the adult male citizens of Rome were divided, according to their position, into groups of 100 (called Centuries). Each group of 100 was entitled to cast only one vote either in favor or against proposals submitted to them by the Roman Senate. Proponents like it because after all it worked OK for over a thousand years.

In its original shape the Electoral College States were the Centurial Assembly assigned one elector per Senator (always two regardless of the state’s size) and one per member of the House of Representatives and that was parceled out based on population determined in the decennial census. By the way that was based on a compromise achieved among big and smaller states of how to apportion Congress. Each state could figure out how to select electors and that made states happy because they didn’t want the Federal government interfering in their business.

Congressmen and federal employees were specifically forbidden from being electors and electors were required to meet in their own states and not together. They had to vote for two one who could not be from their state. Those votes were sealed and send to the President of the Senate who open and read the totals out loud and whoever got a majority plus one was the President and the next highest became Vice President. If nobody got a majority the House of Representatives voted on the top five candidates with each state’s delegation getting only one vote. If that failed the Senate voted to break a tie among the top two again with the second place becoming vice President.

It worked for four elections and until political parties formed – something the founders hope to avoid. In 1800 Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr (both Democratic-Republicans) took 36 votes in Congress to pick Jefferson President, and a lot of backroom horse trading and bad blood. The 12th Amendment was hastily passed in 1804 requiring each elector cast one vote for President and one for Vice President. There have been myriad statutory changes since. But, it was the excesses, chaos, and paralysis of direct democracy during the French Revolution that solidified the Electoral College system as a workable compromise to see the nation deteriorate into such chaos.

It is imperfect

  • 1824: John Quincy Adams received more than 38,000 fewer votes than Andrew Jackson, but neither candidate won a majority of the Electoral College. Adams was awarded the presidency when the election was thrown to the House of Representatives.
  • 1876: Nearly unanimous support from small states gave Rutherford B. Hayes a one-vote margin in the Electoral College, despite the fact that he lost the popular vote to Samuel J. Tilden by 264,000 votes. Hayes carried five out of the six smallest states (excluding Delaware).
  • 1888: Benjamin Harrison lost the popular vote by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland, but won the electoral vote by 65.
  • 2000: Al Gore had over half a million votes more than George W. Bush, with 50,992,335 votes to Bush’s 50,455,156. But after recount controversy in Florida and a U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Bush was awarded the state by 537 popular votes. Like most states, Florida has a “winner takes all” rule. This means that the candidate who wins the state by popular vote also gets all of the state’s electoral votes. Bush became president with 271 electoral votes.

The Electoral College is therefore a barrier, or a weighed, voting system that is designed to give more power to the states with more votes, but allows for small states to swing an election thereby ensuring the absolute fairness for all Americans the Founders craved and quested to achieve. It is interesting that that this flies in the face of the so-called landed class and gave rise to the aphorism “you can’t vote by acre.”

Democrats continue to lead in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. States with 111 Votes are “leaners,” and states with 38 Votes are Toss-Ups. When “leaners” are added, the Democrats lead 260 to 240 A total of 270 electoral votes are needed to win the White House. Twelve states with 149 Electoral Votes are either a pure Toss-Up or just slightly leaning to one party or the other. These are likely to be the early battleground states of Election 2008: Florida (27), Pennsylvania (21), Ohio (20), Michigan (17), Virginia (13), Missouri (11), Wisconsin (10), Colorado (9), Iowa (7), Nevada (5), New Mexico (5), and New Hampshire (4). To see state-by-state results (Click here) .